I found this so interesting and appreciate the amount of time spent behind reading Socrates, wow! I have a number of opinions on every point but something that stood out to me the most was Kallipolis. You’re right, this would be an absolute failure of a city, I don’t know how someone could go on a quest to discover justice and actually end up imagining a dictatorship LOL. “Citizens don’t know what they’re doing”… sounds like the original idea behind Hitler’s work? or every communist or fascist society known? So fascinating. I’m starting to see why Socrates was killed… it’s extreme but maybe the people did know what they were doing there.
I’m glad you liked it. The city is Plato’s horror child, so it had nothing to do with Socrates’ execution — I really think they killed him for asking too many and showing how little they knew about things they held dear, which is understandable, but irrational.
That is true, although Socrates was insane to let people execute him because it was the judges' decision (or whoever was in charge). It shows that he didn't have a clear understanding himself of innocence and guilt and how closely they are tied with justice. If people are uncomfortable with his questions, executing him is not justice, and the lack of his ability to defend himself was a serious flaw. I feel like he should have thought of these things beforehand.
P.S. I think Plato was Socrates's student? I'm not sure how much I trust either one...
I recommend reading the four pieces of the last days of socrates — it’s beginner friendly and there are a lot of resources online to help you. The greatest part about the socratic method is how accessible it is.
In the end of the day, the only way to grow as reader and acquire the background to understand books that challenge you. Also, since Socrates, Plato and Aristotle are the basis of a great chunk of western philosophy, it’s a good idea to get acquainted with them as soon as possible.
I found this so interesting and appreciate the amount of time spent behind reading Socrates, wow! I have a number of opinions on every point but something that stood out to me the most was Kallipolis. You’re right, this would be an absolute failure of a city, I don’t know how someone could go on a quest to discover justice and actually end up imagining a dictatorship LOL. “Citizens don’t know what they’re doing”… sounds like the original idea behind Hitler’s work? or every communist or fascist society known? So fascinating. I’m starting to see why Socrates was killed… it’s extreme but maybe the people did know what they were doing there.
I’m glad you liked it. The city is Plato’s horror child, so it had nothing to do with Socrates’ execution — I really think they killed him for asking too many and showing how little they knew about things they held dear, which is understandable, but irrational.
That is true, although Socrates was insane to let people execute him because it was the judges' decision (or whoever was in charge). It shows that he didn't have a clear understanding himself of innocence and guilt and how closely they are tied with justice. If people are uncomfortable with his questions, executing him is not justice, and the lack of his ability to defend himself was a serious flaw. I feel like he should have thought of these things beforehand.
P.S. I think Plato was Socrates's student? I'm not sure how much I trust either one...
Honestly I don’t have the background to understand all of this but I still love reading them and collecting little bits of information 🌸
I recommend reading the four pieces of the last days of socrates — it’s beginner friendly and there are a lot of resources online to help you. The greatest part about the socratic method is how accessible it is.
In the end of the day, the only way to grow as reader and acquire the background to understand books that challenge you. Also, since Socrates, Plato and Aristotle are the basis of a great chunk of western philosophy, it’s a good idea to get acquainted with them as soon as possible.